Ok having a good sample size and 2 firmware updates to my new R7800. Here are my observations between the two routers.
For the life of my I cant get my laptop to connect to 5ghz and at 866. I used the same settings as my R7000 and it connects in the 600's (I am not currently at home to give you the exact number).
My observation between the 2 units is in the same network setting and with the same amount of devices connected to both 2.4 and 5ghz for some reason connecting to the R7000 is faster (internal wifi to another internal NAS) than the R7800. But with everything being the same, it seems that with the 08/09/2017 Kong Firmware for the R7800 that the connection is more consistent. I don't have spikes when multiple devices are being used compared to the same setup with the R7000. Before I get flamed here, I spent 45 mins trying different channel configurations on the R7800 to see if it can connect faster. I have been unsuccessful at this time and know that sooner than later I will find the right channel combo for the R7800
Ok having a good sample size and 2 firmware updates to my new R7800. Here are my observations between the two routers.
For the life of my I cant get my laptop to connect to 5ghz and at 866. I used the same settings as my R7000 and it connects in the 600's (I am not currently at home to give you the exact number).
My observation between the 2 units is in the same network setting and with the same amount of devices connected to both 2.4 and 5ghz for some reason connecting to the R7000 is faster (internal wifi to another internal NAS) than the R7800. But with everything being the same, it seems that with the 08/09/2017 Kong Firmware for the R7800 that the connection is more consistent. I don't have spikes when multiple devices are being used compared to the same setup with the R7000. Before I get flamed here, I spent 45 mins trying different channel configurations on the R7800 to see if it can connect faster. I have been unsuccessful at this time and know that sooner than later I will find the right channel combo for the R7800
Have you erased nvram? Have you read the recommended wifi settings for atheros? Broadcom is more dummy proof while atheros may require a bit more fine tuning. _________________ R6400v2 (boardID:30) - Kong 36480 running since 03/09/18 - (AP - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R7800 - BS 31924 running since 05/26/17 - (AP - OpenVPN Client - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R7000 - BS 30771 running since 12/16/16 - (AP - NAS - FTP - SMB - OpenVPN Server - Transmission - DDNS - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R6250 - BS 29193 running since 03/20/16 - (AP - NAS - FTP - SMB - DNSMasq - AdBlocking)
Joined: 16 Nov 2015 Posts: 6437 Location: UK, London, just across the river..
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 7:16 Post subject:
Kloze wrote:
For the life of my I cant get my laptop to connect to 5ghz and at 866. I used the same settings as my R7000 and it connects in the 600's (I am not currently at home to give you the exact number).....
for some reason i do not use 5Ghz radio's im stuck with 2,4Ghz and it does very well...also for connectivity and speed issues its important what wi-fi clients do you use to connect...and how may streams they can support ...
personally i do find my R7800 has better connectivity than R7000 but my clients are Atheros, Intel and Realtek mostly, only few Broadcom devices/smart pones but never had any issues...
As far as Wi-Fi settings yes Atheros its vital to be set it up correctly but i do the same for Broadcom too set it for max speeds...
The only thing i consider as a great extra is Atheros "noise immunity" this thing help very much in congested Wi-Fi environment where Broadcom doesn't have it... _________________ Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ---DD-WRT 55630 WAP
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -DD-WRT 55723 Gateway/DoT,Forced DNS,Ad-Block,Firewall,x4VLAN,VPN
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -Gargoyle OS 1.15.x AP,DNS,QoS,Quotas
Qualcomm-Atheros
Netgear XR500 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoH,Forced DNS,AP Isolation,4VLAN,Ad-Block,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R7800 --DD-WRT 55819 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,Forced DNS,AP&Net Isolation,x3VLAN,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R9000 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,AP Isolation,Firewall,Forced DNS,x2VLAN,Vanilla
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 --DD-WRT 55460 Gateway/SmartDNS/DoH,AD-Block,Firewall,Forced DNS,x3VLAN,VPN
NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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Ok having a good sample size and 2 firmware updates to my new R7800. Here are my observations between the two routers.
For the life of my I cant get my laptop to connect to 5ghz and at 866. I used the same settings as my R7000 and it connects in the 600's (I am not currently at home to give you the exact number).
My observation between the 2 units is in the same network setting and with the same amount of devices connected to both 2.4 and 5ghz for some reason connecting to the R7000 is faster (internal wifi to another internal NAS) than the R7800. But with everything being the same, it seems that with the 08/09/2017 Kong Firmware for the R7800 that the connection is more consistent. I don't have spikes when multiple devices are being used compared to the same setup with the R7000. Before I get flamed here, I spent 45 mins trying different channel configurations on the R7800 to see if it can connect faster. I have been unsuccessful at this time and know that sooner than later I will find the right channel combo for the R7800
Have you erased nvram? Have you read the recommended wifi settings for atheros? Broadcom is more dummy proof while atheros may require a bit more fine tuning.
I did not erase NVRAM on this version of the firmware. But the connecting fast issue happened with the first version that I loaded on the R7800. Yes, I have saved the wiki page of the wifi settings for Atheros and that is where much of my initial settings came from. I don't need dummy proof as I will continue this path until it starts connecting at 866 again from my laptop. Its just odd that with the exact same settings from a Broadcom router to this new fangled Atheros router that I would encounter such a difference. For someone that has a R7800 that connects at 866 and higher, what are your settings for comparison purposes. Thanks for the replies guys.
For the life of my I cant get my laptop to connect to 5ghz and at 866. I used the same settings as my R7000 and it connects in the 600's (I am not currently at home to give you the exact number).....
for some reason i do not use 5Ghz radio's im stuck with 2,4Ghz and it does very well...also for connectivity and speed issues its important what wi-fi clients do you use to connect...and how may streams they can support ...
personally i do find my R7800 has better connectivity than R7000 but my clients are Atheros, Intel and Realtek mostly, only few Broadcom devices/smart pones but never had any issues...
As far as Wi-Fi settings yes Atheros its vital to be set it up correctly but i do the same for Broadcom too set it for max speeds...
The only thing i consider as a great extra is Atheros "noise immunity" this thing help very much in congested Wi-Fi environment where Broadcom doesn't have it...
Hey bro thanks for the reply. The experience of both routers has actually been quite eye opening. The R7000 has been so consistent and such a rock I am surprised people hasn't married it yet. On the other hand, the R7800 is sort of like the ugly duckling story. We all know it will get there but there are some inconsistencies with my personal R7800 experience. I am actually kind of glad that the wireless LEDS are off as it makes the area less bright granted I could just use the provided switch to turn off the leds.
Since the topic is pairing one router over the other, I think the R7000 has a slight edge even though I retired the router already. But looking forward to see the maturity of the unit via firmware. Look how long it took for Kernel 4.x took to get stable and once it got on its foot it was awesome. The only thing I didn't like was that the USB ports were on the side instead of the back like the R7000 and the extra antenna makes it look kind off a bit. The antennas appear to look the same when comparing them to each other. I am sure that they are not though.
Joined: 16 Nov 2015 Posts: 6437 Location: UK, London, just across the river..
Posted: Fri Aug 11, 2017 16:13 Post subject:
@Kloze you can dim the lights on R7000 too
^^^ Disable Lights ^^^
add this to your startup script to disable the lights on your r7000.
for i in 2 3 8 9 12 13 17 18 ; do gpio enable $i ; done
for i in 14 15 ; do gpio disable $i ; done
Run this from the command line to disable the 4 LAN lights.
et robowr 0x0 0x18 0x1ff
et robowr 0x0 0x18 0x0
et robowr 0x0 0x1a 0x0 _________________ Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ---DD-WRT 55630 WAP
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -DD-WRT 55723 Gateway/DoT,Forced DNS,Ad-Block,Firewall,x4VLAN,VPN
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -Gargoyle OS 1.15.x AP,DNS,QoS,Quotas
Qualcomm-Atheros
Netgear XR500 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoH,Forced DNS,AP Isolation,4VLAN,Ad-Block,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R7800 --DD-WRT 55819 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,Forced DNS,AP&Net Isolation,x3VLAN,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R9000 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,AP Isolation,Firewall,Forced DNS,x2VLAN,Vanilla
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 --DD-WRT 55460 Gateway/SmartDNS/DoH,AD-Block,Firewall,Forced DNS,x3VLAN,VPN
NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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@Kloze you can dim the lights on R7000 too
^^^ Disable Lights ^^^
add this to your startup script to disable the lights on your r7000.
for i in 2 3 8 9 12 13 17 18 ; do gpio enable $i ; done
for i in 14 15 ; do gpio disable $i ; done
Run this from the command line to disable the 4 LAN lights.
et robowr 0x0 0x18 0x1ff
et robowr 0x0 0x18 0x0
et robowr 0x0 0x1a 0x0
thanks man for that information. I will save it in a document for future reference. If no one has been seeing my others posts in the Atheros and Broadcom section, I just got a fiber connection to my new house. At first the promised with my service that I was gonna get 100/100. After the tech installed the service, he says "Oh I guess you got gig service" as excited as I was, I was also a little blah since I knew the R7000 couldn't IPv4 this type of speed. For giggles, I loaded the most recent KONG 08/09 build and turned on SFE. I am getting 750 to 800 on the R7000 and off router and direct from the computer, I am getting virtually the full gig/gig. This is mind blowing that the R7000 can do this!
Joined: 16 Nov 2015 Posts: 6437 Location: UK, London, just across the river..
Posted: Fri Aug 18, 2017 5:29 Post subject:
for R7000 750-800Mbit with SFE ipv4 this is similar to the test result i have, without SFE R7000 does not more than 400
on the other side for R7800 i got 900+ with SFE and around
750 ish without sadly i do not have that speed so im not bothered with SFE until Devs set it up .. _________________ Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ---DD-WRT 55630 WAP
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -DD-WRT 55723 Gateway/DoT,Forced DNS,Ad-Block,Firewall,x4VLAN,VPN
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -Gargoyle OS 1.15.x AP,DNS,QoS,Quotas
Qualcomm-Atheros
Netgear XR500 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoH,Forced DNS,AP Isolation,4VLAN,Ad-Block,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R7800 --DD-WRT 55819 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,Forced DNS,AP&Net Isolation,x3VLAN,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R9000 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,AP Isolation,Firewall,Forced DNS,x2VLAN,Vanilla
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 --DD-WRT 55460 Gateway/SmartDNS/DoH,AD-Block,Firewall,Forced DNS,x3VLAN,VPN
NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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So tl;dr the R7000 is better and more stable for wireless, 2.4 Ghz and 5 Ghz ?
I am interested to know this also.
I want to buy a 7000 or a 7800, maybe 2 of them and use one as an access point. With the SFE and mu-mimo being supported now for the r7000 what one has more stable connections? 7000 or 7800.
I dont need vlans or any other feature, I just want rock solid connections for wired and wireless devices in my ranch house that will support my 100 meg cable ISP connection. The family does a lot of video streaming and I am doing a lot of live TV viewing with hdhomerun tuners, I need stable solid connections and am tried of dropping frames and crappy connection with my linksys acs1900 - As far as range I will put in access points if I need to ... Amazon has r7000 routers for under 100 ( used ) a lot of times...
So tl;dr the R7000 is better and more stable for wireless, 2.4 Ghz and 5 Ghz ?
I am interested to know this also.
I want to buy a 7000 or a 7800, maybe 2 of them and use one as an access point. With the SFE and mu-mimo being supported now for the r7000 what one has more stable connections? 7000 or 7800.
I dont need vlans or any other feature, I just want rock solid connections for wired and wireless devices in my ranch house that will support my 100 meg cable ISP connection. The family does a lot of video streaming and I am doing a lot of live TV viewing with hdhomerun tuners, I need stable solid connections and am tried of dropping frames and crappy connection with my linksys acs1900 - As far as range I will put in access points if I need to ... Amazon has r7000 routers for under 100 ( used ) a lot of times...
thanks in advance haeffnkr
R7000 doesn't support MU-MIMO. The rest of your doubts are answered on the thread. _________________ R6400v2 (boardID:30) - Kong 36480 running since 03/09/18 - (AP - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R7800 - BS 31924 running since 05/26/17 - (AP - OpenVPN Client - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R7000 - BS 30771 running since 12/16/16 - (AP - NAS - FTP - SMB - OpenVPN Server - Transmission - DDNS - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R6250 - BS 29193 running since 03/20/16 - (AP - NAS - FTP - SMB - DNSMasq - AdBlocking)
So tl;dr the R7000 is better and more stable for wireless, 2.4 Ghz and 5 Ghz ?
I am interested to know this also.
I want to buy a 7000 or a 7800, maybe 2 of them and use one as an access point. With the SFE and mu-mimo being supported now for the r7000 what one has more stable connections? 7000 or 7800.
I dont need vlans or any other feature, I just want rock solid connections for wired and wireless devices in my ranch house that will support my 100 meg cable ISP connection. The family does a lot of video streaming and I am doing a lot of live TV viewing with hdhomerun tuners, I need stable solid connections and am tried of dropping frames and crappy connection with my linksys acs1900 - As far as range I will put in access points if I need to ... Amazon has r7000 routers for under 100 ( used ) a lot of times...
thanks in advance haeffnkr
R7000 doesn't support MU-MIMO. The rest of your doubts are answered on the thread.
thanks for your prompt answer -
I guess I confused SFE with mu-mimo ... I need to find again what Kong said was supported in the new build.
Anyway -
Not sure I saw in this thread were is said which unit is more stable in general?
Can you please point it out for me?
So tl;dr the R7000 is better and more stable for wireless, 2.4 Ghz and 5 Ghz ?
I am interested to know this also.
I want to buy a 7000 or a 7800, maybe 2 of them and use one as an access point. With the SFE and mu-mimo being supported now for the r7000 what one has more stable connections? 7000 or 7800.
I dont need vlans or any other feature, I just want rock solid connections for wired and wireless devices in my ranch house that will support my 100 meg cable ISP connection. The family does a lot of video streaming and I am doing a lot of live TV viewing with hdhomerun tuners, I need stable solid connections and am tried of dropping frames and crappy connection with my linksys acs1900 - As far as range I will put in access points if I need to ... Amazon has r7000 routers for under 100 ( used ) a lot of times...
thanks in advance haeffnkr
R7000 doesn't support MU-MIMO. The rest of your doubts are answered on the thread.
thanks for your prompt answer -
I guess I confused SFE with mu-mimo ... I need to find again what Kong said was supported in the new build.
Anyway -
Not sure I saw in this thread were is said which unit is more stable in general?
Can you please point it out for me?
thanks for your help
haeffnkr
Look at my comment on the previous page. In a nutshell, if you use it in a vainilla mode you won't find difference stability wise but when you start playing around with features you probably will find it more difficult on R7800 to get it stable. R7000 firmwares have been stable for ages now, and as I said there I bought the R7800 just to play around with another chip manufacturer, few advanced settings, etc, and see if I could take advantage of the more powerful SOC, which in MY case was totally not worth it. If you are worried about a 10-years future proof router then yeah you could get it, if not go for 7000. _________________ R6400v2 (boardID:30) - Kong 36480 running since 03/09/18 - (AP - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R7800 - BS 31924 running since 05/26/17 - (AP - OpenVPN Client - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R7000 - BS 30771 running since 12/16/16 - (AP - NAS - FTP - SMB - OpenVPN Server - Transmission - DDNS - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R6250 - BS 29193 running since 03/20/16 - (AP - NAS - FTP - SMB - DNSMasq - AdBlocking)
Joined: 16 Nov 2015 Posts: 6437 Location: UK, London, just across the river..
Posted: Sun Aug 20, 2017 21:36 Post subject:
the new R7000P has a multi-mimo, i dont know how much
multi-mimo is supported in (wi-fi) client mode (i guess its not)
What I'm sure multi-mimo is working for WAP...and R7800 has it..
But i think in DD-WRT there is a limitation of only 2 or 3 streams supported as not many devices can support
4 streams officially...or im wrong...
Quote:
riahc3 wrote
So tl;dr the R7000 is better and more stable for wireless, 2.4 Ghz and 5 Ghz ?
well, i believe R7800 is just a touch better it has +5mwt or so on the top... but compare both R7000 is not bad at all _________________ Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ---DD-WRT 55630 WAP
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -DD-WRT 55723 Gateway/DoT,Forced DNS,Ad-Block,Firewall,x4VLAN,VPN
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -Gargoyle OS 1.15.x AP,DNS,QoS,Quotas
Qualcomm-Atheros
Netgear XR500 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoH,Forced DNS,AP Isolation,4VLAN,Ad-Block,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R7800 --DD-WRT 55819 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,Forced DNS,AP&Net Isolation,x3VLAN,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R9000 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,AP Isolation,Firewall,Forced DNS,x2VLAN,Vanilla
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 --DD-WRT 55460 Gateway/SmartDNS/DoH,AD-Block,Firewall,Forced DNS,x3VLAN,VPN
NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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I wanted to provide an update of my current situation. Now its been awhile that I have had the 2 in service. Just an update, at my main, I replaced the R7000 with the R7800 based off some of the posts in this forum. I knew it was going to be a work in process but patience is wearing thin. My other home, I repurposed the R7000 here. I recently had fiber installed at this new location and with the release of SFE, the R7000 is able to as close to gigabit internet as I am satisfied with "older" hardware. I have seen no bugs with my basic configuration with SFE on as some other users are reporting.
In comparison, my experience with the R7000 had always been positive. I was afraid with the newer firmwares that it would introduce bugs with SFE and I have not seen that. This positive experience still carries on today.
With the R7800, after weeks of configuring, reading the Atheros config page and such, my experience with this router has been fairly disappointing. Even if my device show being connected, I would lose internet access for minutes at a time. The range has not been as good on both 2g and 5g bands. Granted, I own the router (R7800) so I will continue to tinker around and await more awesome firmwares to eventually get my basic configuration up to the point like I have with my R7000.
For now as of 08/28/2017 - In my setup, the R7000 is still the router to beat in this showdown post.
