Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 21:14 Post subject: Trouble when try to connect two Networks
Hello guys,
iam not sure if it could belong also in the Broadcom part, but its more general so i decided to post it here.
Well i already read some guides but most of them doesnt exactly suited my configuration.(ppl dont cared about speed or they needed very long ranged conections)
So i ask here and maybe someone could help me out.
Well more or less i want to connect 2 Houses wireless and share there network,ive already tryed some stuff but the connection slows down from time to time or getting some odd connections losts, so i decided to make a "fresh" overall network rather than try to fix here or there.
Avavible Hardware: (with DDWRT)
2 x Linksysy WRT54G
2 x TP-Link WR841ND
1 x Linksys WAG200G
1 x TP-Link SG108
Both houses got some wired and some wireless clients.
The modem is in house A and house B needs the best/fastest possible connection.
There is about 40-60m range between them and there are some trees which i cant avoid.
But i guess my bad drawing might explaint it better.
I know it might be simple but i hope someone could help me out.
Currently the signal quality is between 33% and 50% (bridge 1 and 2 (both are the wrt54)
My first plan is to use the TP-Links with N-Connection to establish the wireless connection and the wrt54 inside. (bridge 1 and 2)
If there is a cheap way to boost the speed up i whould be happy as well, i though about replace the WAG or maybe buy panel antennas for more power.
I whould be really thankfull if some whould help me out, i mess around with this for some time and want to be rid of this.
(from time to time it works perfect, than its close to snake speed)
PS: the jpg just show my current setup i could change it how ever it will bring the best results at all.
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You have really posted inadequate information to get any meaningful help. Try to isolate where the performance drop occurs and then set up the router that is deficient properly. Start with reading and following the advice in the Broadcom forum announcements, for the Broadcom routers. But you might be using weak routers. Can't tell with the info posted. _________________ SIG:
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Well could you tell me how to make a new Setup with the devices i own ?
-2 Places A,B
-Both places needs wireless acess to the network
-NAS should be avavible in both places , so i guess the should be one network
-Best performance in B
-Modem must be in A
EDIT:
Well i changed the Channel but this aint make a big different.
Btw i notice the A side always shows a higher badwidth (24 or 30+ Mbps) while the B side is much lower (highest is about 18 MBps , mostly 11 or less Mbps)
EDIT2:
Also i note my SNR is bad ~24.
with signal ~ -70
and noise ~ -93
Edit3 (maybe time for a new arranged post ? )
maxTx Power doesnt made a difference.
I notice the MBps on side B are hopping up and down, from 5.5 to 18 MBps without any difference from me, maybe something with dhcp on the WAG device? )
Wire the whole system together would be the best but I can't tell you what else to do as I don't know what you are doing, how you have set it up, what your settings are, what builds you are using, and why it isn't working. You will need to provide a lot more information and probably should find the actual problem and focus on it. Start by reading the Broadcom forum announcements. _________________ SIG:
I'm trying to teach you to fish, not give you a fish. If you just want a fish, wait for a fisherman who hands them out. I'm more of a fishing instructor.
LOM: "If you show that you have not bothered to read the forum announcements or to follow the advices in them then the level of help available for you will drop substantially, also known as Murrkf's law.."
Wire the whole system together would be the best but I can't tell you what else to do as I don't know what you are doing, how you have set it up, what your settings are, what builds you are using, and why it isn't working. You will need to provide a lot more information and probably should find the actual problem and focus on it. Start by reading the Broadcom forum announcements.
Thanks for your reply.
Well i already read the Announcment but just found the stuff about repeater bridge etc i already read before i posted, but iam not sure which setup suits my needs.
I guess a client bridge with extra AP on both side should be faster cause the bridge routers could fokus on the bride connection rather than on the other bridge part + different wireless devices.
Jeah there is a setup like Repeater bridge but iam not sure if i can boost it if i use more routers than just 2 like in this case.
Well i dont know which informations to post and how to get them thats why i want to ask:
How whould you construct the Setup from Scratch?
With the devices ive got here (and maybe with new antennas if needed)
PS: i am not very confirm with networking, but already read different setups and modes.
Wireing isnt an option, i whould do it if i could
but after step 22 iam not able to save or apply anthing when ever i hit apply or save it shows me the webpage "connection lost" and when i relog to the router they dont appleyed or saved the changes.
Maybe ssh into the router and change it by command line?
You mention trees --- that is bad -- when they say line of site that's what they mean!
Got to get around that -
I have a similar setup I put together 12 years ago still running... about x4 your distance.
I use 24dBi Grid Parabolic Antennas at each end with 25' coaxial connected to WAP54G ... just recently updated them to build 26653. Shared printers at each end among many other things all on same LAN. Using the WRT54G would be the same thing. When I first put this together without the 25' coaxial I had line of site but also going over a state highway so a truck convoy would effectively break my connection ... usually always at a bad time. So I had to get OVER it all. My bridge maintains 50%-54% signal quailty all time.
I run mine in WDS mode only connected wirelessly to each other. You don't want any other wireless device to connect to your bridge --- it will only slow it down if that device is not at a optimal range.
You could do what you want with a couple yagi antennas with the 3' cable connected... aligned properly in line of site.
This stuff is easily found and relatively cheap compared to years ago.
You will have to do some research and put this together yourself that way you will know what you have and how it all works.
AND:
If using external antennas set the wrt54g (in advanced wireless settings) to use only one anntenna.
I've found the WAP54G left anntenna is its left. Most WRT54G is exactly the opposite --- you will have to figure that out.
Don't set the TX Power to some crazy high setting - it will only defeat the purpose. Mine are both set at 42mW.
Also a good option rather than coaxial cable is move the WRT54G to where they are line of site. Use POE (power over ethernet) if you need to.
Unless you have internet faster than 20Mbs there really isn't a need to go higher class than G router unless you are doing alot of file sharing.
Doing a quick search 'outdoor WiFi' looks like they have all kinds crazy stuff these days..... whatever you use it needs to be LINE-OF-SITE if you want to maintain a good connection.
but iam not able to establish a internet connection from the bridge mode router via wire to my notebook and dont know why.
(i can acess its WEBGUI via its ip but i dont get any "internet" connection beside this)
but iam not able to establish a internet connection from the bridge mode router via wire to my notebook and dont know why.
(i can acess its WEBGUI via its ip but i dont get any "internet" connection beside this)
Then it obviously is not connected to whatever it is supposed to be bridged to.
What routers are you trying to bridge?
You can't connect a G router with a N router if it's set on N speeds.You should connection status if linked up under system info and also wireless status.
I have no idea what dd-wrt builds you have installed and I haven't looked at the linking routers page in a long time but I feel if you will go by its instructions and double check what you are doing you can figure it out.
Also if you are using two N routers for the bridge and this 144 Mbs speed you mentioned is not with a good solid connection it won't matter if you get 30Mbs or 300Mbs if it is a flakey connection....you will be right back where you started.
And --- when doing something like this get everything in the same room, get it all working, set security, make sure everything is good then go setup and see if it still connects.....and then transfer a 1GB file and see if it will hold true without stutters or dropouts .....thru your trees
Edit:If having trouble with the tp-link router you should post in appropriate forum....I don't own one-
Last edited by mrjcd on Wed Apr 22, 2015 22:28; edited 1 time in total
Please deal with one problem at a time, and post in the correct forum. Start with the router that you are using for the client bridge. It is likely a signal quality problem, but post in the proper forum. This thread is all over the place and is not helping you.
Also see the forum rules on image size limits. Thx. _________________ SIG:
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LOM: "If you show that you have not bothered to read the forum announcements or to follow the advices in them then the level of help available for you will drop substantially, also known as Murrkf's law.."