What's your 'optimal' Tx Power for 2.4G and 5G?

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gil80
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 1:59    Post subject: What's your 'optimal' Tx Power for 2.4G and 5G? Reply with quote
Hi all

I've been playing around with the Tx power for a while, because when I try to copy files from/to my android device and the HDD connected to my R7000, I found the speeds to be very very slow.
For example: a simple copy from my HDD to my Android device on 5Ghz channel, I get about 1.2MBps... that's unusually slow.

I was thinking that maybe an increase in Tx power will help a bit, but I didn't find meaningful evidence for it.

I used WiFi Analyser app, to measure dB of 5Ghz, and didn't find a slight increase in dB or transfer speeds.

So, either my router is misconfigured to utilise the bandwidth (I think it is) or my Tx power is not configured correctly.

I'm using Kong build from 10-MARCH
5Ghz is set to VHT80 + 166 channel and Upper Upper.
Tx Power is 120mW
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:54    Post subject: Reply with quote
set TX power to Auto and channel to 149 lower lower or 161 upper upper.
gil80
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 5:36    Post subject: Reply with quote
GreyDoc wrote:
set TX power to Auto and channel to 149 lower lower or 161 upper upper.


why? why 149 lower lower?
I currently have it as 161 higher higher

Why to Auto? Auto = 71mW
nolimitz
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:44    Post subject: Re: What's your 'optimal' Tx Power for 2.4G and 5G? Reply with quote
gil80 wrote:
Hi all

I've been playing around with the Tx power for a while, because when I try to copy files from/to my android device and the HDD connected to my R7000, I found the speeds to be very very slow.
For example: a simple copy from my HDD to my Android device on 5Ghz channel, I get about 1.2MBps... that's unusually slow.

I was thinking that maybe an increase in Tx power will help a bit, but I didn't find meaningful evidence for it.

I used WiFi Analyser app, to measure dB of 5Ghz, and didn't find a slight increase in dB or transfer speeds.

So, either my router is misconfigured to utilise the bandwidth (I think it is) or my Tx power is not configured correctly.

I'm using Kong build from 10-MARCH
5Ghz is set to VHT80 + 166 channel and Upper Upper.
Tx Power is 120mW



im using R6300V2 and iPhone 6 Plus, i get around 15-16MB/S from usb 3 attached HDD, or 30-33MB/S from NAS connected to Lan of R6300V2.

did you try connecting to Lan ports using a PC and do a transfer? it might be related to USB/HDD rather than wireless.
gil80
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:55    Post subject: Re: What's your 'optimal' Tx Power for 2.4G and 5G? Reply with quote
nolimitz wrote:
gil80 wrote:
Hi all

I've been playing around with the Tx power for a while, because when I try to copy files from/to my android device and the HDD connected to my R7000, I found the speeds to be very very slow.
For example: a simple copy from my HDD to my Android device on 5Ghz channel, I get about 1.2MBps... that's unusually slow.

I was thinking that maybe an increase in Tx power will help a bit, but I didn't find meaningful evidence for it.

I used WiFi Analyser app, to measure dB of 5Ghz, and didn't find a slight increase in dB or transfer speeds.

So, either my router is misconfigured to utilise the bandwidth (I think it is) or my Tx power is not configured correctly.

I'm using Kong build from 10-MARCH
5Ghz is set to VHT80 + 166 channel and Upper Upper.
Tx Power is 120mW



im using R6300V2 and iPhone 6 Plus, i get around 15-16MB/S from usb 3 attached HDD, or 30-33MB/S from NAS connected to Lan of R6300V2.

did you try connecting to Lan ports using a PC and do a transfer? it might be related to USB/HDD rather than wireless.


I don't have LAN enabled storage device. Only USB or eSata.
In my case, I have a USB device connected to the USB3.0 port which is slightly better but not by a great deal. Problem remains... this is very disturbing.
I dont' know if it's my client (mobile) or the router settings.

I wouldn't mind if someone could remote to my router and figure it out...
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 6:57    Post subject: Re: What's your 'optimal' Tx Power for 2.4G and 5G? Reply with quote
gil80 wrote:
nolimitz wrote:
gil80 wrote:
Hi all

I've been playing around with the Tx power for a while, because when I try to copy files from/to my android device and the HDD connected to my R7000, I found the speeds to be very very slow.
For example: a simple copy from my HDD to my Android device on 5Ghz channel, I get about 1.2MBps... that's unusually slow.

I was thinking that maybe an increase in Tx power will help a bit, but I didn't find meaningful evidence for it.

I used WiFi Analyser app, to measure dB of 5Ghz, and didn't find a slight increase in dB or transfer speeds.

So, either my router is misconfigured to utilise the bandwidth (I think it is) or my Tx power is not configured correctly.

I'm using Kong build from 10-MARCH
5Ghz is set to VHT80 + 166 channel and Upper Upper.
Tx Power is 120mW



im using R6300V2 and iPhone 6 Plus, i get around 15-16MB/S from usb 3 attached HDD, or 30-33MB/S from NAS connected to Lan of R6300V2.

did you try connecting to Lan ports using a PC and do a transfer? it might be related to USB/HDD rather than wireless.


I don't have LAN enabled storage device. Only USB or eSata.
In my case, I have a USB device connected to the USB3.0 port which is slightly better but not by a great deal. Problem remains... this is very disturbing.
I dont' know if it's my client (mobile) or the router settings.

I wouldn't mind if someone could remote to my router and figure it out...


i understand, however, 1MB/S is really slow, many years back i used to get 5MB/S on older hardware (E3000).

my question remains, did you try to connect a PC to lan port of R7000 and transfer a file from R7000 USB HDD to PC?
gil80
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:23    Post subject: Reply with quote
oh yes.. I missed that part.

I have my main PC beast wired to the router. Depending on the media I'm using to copy on (HDD /SSD), the speeds are fast.

It's mainly the WiFi I'm concerned.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 7:44    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi gil80, FYR, below is some test results on my R7000 with stock firmware on an USB 2.0 external hard drive testing with Lan Speed Test (Lite) from TotuSoft (using testing file size of 1000MB).

With the external hard drive connected directly to a PC, I can get 19MB/s write and 30MB/s read.

With the external hard drive connected to R7000 USB 2.0 port, on 5G N HT20 with max 216M wifi link on PC (my PC has a wifi adaptor with 3 antennas), I can get 10MB/s write and 14MB/s read.

When I change wifi from HT20 to HT40 with max 450M wifi link, I can get 13MB/s write and 18MB/s read.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 8:03    Post subject: Reply with quote
gil80 wrote:
GreyDoc wrote:
set TX power to Auto and channel to 149 lower lower or 161 upper upper.


why? why 149 lower lower?
I currently have it as 161 higher higher

Why to Auto? Auto = 71mW

Auto power is not 71mW since Kong changed it. I think Auto is max power for northstar.
149 lower lower works best for me.
gil80
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 14:20    Post subject: Reply with quote
Some more info after more testing.
Using LAN Speed Test (lite) on wired PC and wireless PC with HDD on USB 2 and formatted EXT3:
see attached image. results in MBps.


So it seems that something to do with my mobile and router config that is not working right.



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mwbuss8
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 04, 2016 17:29    Post subject: Reply with quote
I have an AC1450 with a 5tb usb3 drive attached, and I've seen 20+mbps read speeds from my phone on 5ghz AC. My laptop on the other hand (yoga 11s) has a crap proprietary 2.4ghz single band WiFi card that doesn't roam between APs and has no roaming settings. I love the computer except for that, but transfers are often painfully slow, between 1 and 2 mbps, and I have to switch WiFi off and back on when I go to a different floor in my house. I ended up getting a usb3 hub with an Ethernet port for when I need to transfer anything of substnacial size.

As your numbers from your PC tests seem reasonable, I'd say its your phone. It seems like our scenarios are flipped.

That being said, I have solid range and minimal tx errors with 2.4ghz set to 316mw and 5ghz at 500mw. The radios stay a bit cooler than using auto as well.
gil80
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:41    Post subject: Reply with quote
These are the temps I'm getting when setting 2.4Ghz to 300mW and 5Ghz to 500mW

CPU Clock 1000 MHz
Load Average 0.19, 0.16, 0.14
CPU TemperatureCPU 59.1 °C / WL0 48.43 °C / WL1 53.82 °C
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:45    Post subject: Reply with quote
gil80 wrote:
These are the temps I'm getting when setting 2.4Ghz to 300mW and 5Ghz to 500mW

CPU Clock 1000 MHz
Load Average 0.19, 0.16, 0.14
CPU TemperatureCPU 59.1 °C / WL0 48.43 °C / WL1 53.82 °C


Yeah, those are really high values that aren't going to do anything other than potentially damage the radios and cause errors/problems...

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gil80
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 2:46    Post subject: Reply with quote
Then what's the recommended values? or max recommended?
Up to 200?
And so why there's up to 1000mW? in the setting?
GreyDoc
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 05, 2016 5:05    Post subject: Reply with quote
gil80 wrote:
These are the temps I'm getting when setting 2.4Ghz to 300mW and 5Ghz to 500mW

CPU Clock 1000 MHz
Load Average 0.19, 0.16, 0.14
CPU TemperatureCPU 59.1 °C / WL0 48.43 °C / WL1 53.82 °C

those are normal temperatures, anything up to 80 °C is absolutely fine. we had this discussion many times ...
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