Posted: Thu Jun 22, 2017 20:41 Post subject: Best Netgear router for my config
Hi there
Here's the thing. I live in a big house, full of concrete walls. To cover the entire place, I have four R7000 routers, the first one configured as an AP and the rest configured as Repeater bridges, one connected to the previous one (like a chain). One of them died yesterday (RIP), so I want to buy a new router, and I'm planning to buy a better one and use it as the main router (AP, connected to the internet), and use the remaining r7000s as repeater bridges. Which one would you recommend? I read that R8500 is not so good, so I'm between the R7800, R8000 and R9000.
My main concerns are range (for both 2.4 and 5 ghz) and stability (using Kong firmware). Then comes speed. I'm mainly using AC-only, and only use 2.4 ghz N-only for support for my smartphone.
The R9000 is tempting me, but I'm not sure if it's worth the price. 4 ethernet ports is enough for me. Are there any real advantages to the R9000 in terms of wireless performance (range, stability, speed)?
Regarding 802.11ad, I was not interested at first since there are no devices that make use of it, but I'm a VR enthusiast (I own an Oculus Rift), and I don't know if there's going to be a wireless VR headset in the near future (and if there is, it will clearly need all the speed wireless technology can offer), and that made me think about it.
Anyway, what would you do in my situation? Is it the R9000 worth the price for my config? or should I go for the R7800? And what about the R8000?
Thanks!
PS: All of them have fixed antennas? no way to detach them?
Joined: 16 Nov 2015 Posts: 6447 Location: UK, London, just across the river..
Posted: Fri Jun 23, 2017 3:32 Post subject:
conciser R9000 is too expensive and can not beat
R7800 price/performance value i 'd go for R7800 and
nothing else....
R7800,R7000,R9000,R8500 all they have detachable
antennas but the best among them are
R7800 & R9000 both have a great range... _________________ Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ---DD-WRT 55630 WAP
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -DD-WRT 55723 Gateway/DoT,Forced DNS,Ad-Block,Firewall,x4VLAN,VPN
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -Gargoyle OS 1.15.x AP,DNS,QoS,Quotas
Qualcomm-Atheros
Netgear XR500 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoH,Forced DNS,AP Isolation,4VLAN,Ad-Block,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R7800 --DD-WRT 55819 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,Forced DNS,AP&Net Isolation,x3VLAN,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R9000 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,AP Isolation,Firewall,Forced DNS,x2VLAN,Vanilla
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 --DD-WRT 55460 Gateway/SmartDNS/DoH,AD-Block,Firewall,Forced DNS,x3VLAN,VPN
NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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conciser R9000 is too expensive and can not beat
R7800 price/performance value i 'd go for R7800 and
nothing else....
R7800,R7000,R9000,R8500 all they have detachable
antennas but the best among them are
R7800 & R9000 both have a great range...
Thanks for the reply. Are you sure all of these routers have detachable antennas? I was under the impression that R9000 and R8000 don't have detachable antennas. It's important to me because I want to connect a 5 ghz exterior antenna to this router.
I'm mainly interested in the R7800 or R9000, but maybe I should go for the R7800, because I think R9000 it's not worth its price for now. Does the R9000 have better range and stability (with Kong's builds) than the R7800? If not, R7800 will be the one to go, I guess.
PS: The R8000 is not a good option? I read somewhere (don't remember where) that is not a good choice, the same with the R8500. Do you agree with that?
Joined: 16 Nov 2015 Posts: 6447 Location: UK, London, just across the river..
Posted: Sun Jun 25, 2017 19:36 Post subject:
yep im sure about R7000, R7500, R7800, R9000 all they have detachable antennas...not sure about R8500 but i believe it does have too, have a look....if you have external antenna make sure cables are very short otherwise it wont work well especially 5Ghz unless you have an amp.....
R7800 has Qualcom Atheros chip and has a great range and parameters....and yes it does work good with Kong builds..
R7000, R8000, R8500 all they have Broadcom SoC and they are not bad at all, but consider R7800 has
Qualcomm IPQ8065 @1700 and its very fast and much better chip than Broadcom BCM4709A0 @1000
i wouldn't go for R8000 nor R8500 as R7000 has the same CPU for less money _________________ Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ---DD-WRT 55630 WAP
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -DD-WRT 55723 Gateway/DoT,Forced DNS,Ad-Block,Firewall,x4VLAN,VPN
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -Gargoyle OS 1.15.x AP,DNS,QoS,Quotas
Qualcomm-Atheros
Netgear XR500 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoH,Forced DNS,AP Isolation,4VLAN,Ad-Block,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R7800 --DD-WRT 55819 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,Forced DNS,AP&Net Isolation,x3VLAN,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R9000 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,AP Isolation,Firewall,Forced DNS,x2VLAN,Vanilla
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 --DD-WRT 55460 Gateway/SmartDNS/DoH,AD-Block,Firewall,Forced DNS,x3VLAN,VPN
NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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Last edited by Alozaros on Mon Jun 26, 2017 7:42; edited 1 time in total
The r8500 antenna are not detachable. The r8500 has a 1.4ghz cpu.
The r8500 range is not as good as the r7800. I have both. _________________ I am far from a guru, I'm barely a novice.
Wifi ad needs to be line of sight from router to device, even your own body can block the signal completely, so for now is sh*t. I would go for R7800 if that was the only reason you were considering R9000. _________________ R6400v2 (boardID:30) - Kong 36480 running since 03/09/18 - (AP - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R7800 - BS 31924 running since 05/26/17 - (AP - OpenVPN Client - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R7000 - BS 30771 running since 12/16/16 - (AP - NAS - FTP - SMB - OpenVPN Server - Transmission - DDNS - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R6250 - BS 29193 running since 03/20/16 - (AP - NAS - FTP - SMB - DNSMasq - AdBlocking)
Thanks for your answers to my questions. So the R7800 seems to be a better option for all of you. I'm mainly interested in wifi (2.4Ghz and 5Ghz) stability and performance, using a Kong's build. If the wifi performance is the same between the two, I don't see a real advantage of the R9000. I don't need a 10 port switch and ad seems to be a technology that won't have a lot of use. In fact, I read almost every page of the R9000 and R7800 threads, and people are struggling to get the R9000 running without issues even with the last Kong's build (WAN connection problems, the ad is not working as expected yet). R7800 seems to have better stability with last Kong's build.
Am I right with all the things I said? Because I'm buying the router today, so I want to be sure. It's a little difficult for me to decide because if the R9000 is worth it, I wouldn't mind paying for it (even if it's overpriced). After reading both threads, I have the impression that the R9000 is not stable yet even with its basic tasks, and stability is my main priority. It's just that it's tempting me , because I want a very good and "future proof" router.
well if you can afford waiting and solid price R9000 is
a great choice....
but have to wait until drivers are fiddled in for it
so far its operational with DD-WRT....
Otherwise R7800 is a great and future proof router, so far
the best price performance value....
Wow, that was a fast reply. Thanks! In your experience and knowing the pace of Kong's work, how much time do you think is going to take for the R9000 to be very solid in both 2.4Ghz and 5Ghz bands, and of course, without Wan connection problems? Just an aproximation, if you can. No doubt the R7800 has a better performance/price ratio, but the R9000 looks like a future proof choice, even if I really don't know if ad is going to have any practical use or not.
One thing I want to make clear. When I said that my main priority is stability, I'm thinking mostly on 5Ghz AC-only mode, since almost my entire config is based ond that mode working as repeater bridges. Is that mode stable in both routers with the last builds? With the R7000s that I own I had some issues with that mode using some of Kong's builds, and ended using repeater mode (not bridged). With the last build it was fixed, repeater bridge started working without issues on 5Ghz band on my R7000s, but I don't know if that's the case of the R7800 and R9000, since they have a different chip. Repeater bridge mode in 5Ghz AC-only is one of the things I need to be working in a rock solid way.
, because I want a very good and "future proof" router.