Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 14:11 Post subject: Netgear R8000... Horrific 2.4MHz speeds
Hi all,
Just upgraded a dead Archer C7 v2 running dd-wrt successfully (for 2 years) like I want it to a Netgear R8000. Here's my old situation, from another post I made recently:
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I have an Archer C7 v2, a 1700AC router, running DD-WRT v3.0-r33006 std (08/03/17). I'm running N-based cards in my Mac, one floor below the router, with an 80% link strength. The router is set for "Mixed" mode, though setting to N-only has no apparent effect on speed.
My ISP net connection is 300M up and down... hardwired at the router I can see this. Via wifi I get from 20M-50M up and down. I'm testing at beta.speedtest.net, FWIW.
This seems abysmal. I know I'm not going to get the full 300M via wifi, but the N standard is about 450M, isn't it? I would think I'd get 200-250M, not 10-20% of that. Does having the A band limit me to 50M? Like I said, setting to N only doesn't seem to help.
OK, so fast forward to now and my shiny new R8000... I grabbed the latest firmware for my model as of a couple days ago (10-10-2017-r33492). I've tried to reconfigure the new router like the old (same SSIDs, settings, etc.). I'm now getting 2-10MBs on the 2.4GHz side... far worse than my old, Archer C7 router.
FWIW, I've configured a new 5G (on wl0), and cannot even connect to it. The "dd-wrt" SSID is on wl2 (5G) and I can connect to THAT 5G SSID and I get about 90MBs on that one.
I'm totally at a loss to explain the horrible performance. FWIW, I have a range of 2.4Ghz devices around the house... Nest thermostats, some old laptops... could one of them be dragging down the performance of the router (i.e. lowest common denominator sinks the entire 2.4GHz spectrum)? I've left the router picking its own channel and checked that the channel isn't too crowded.
The new router is exactly in the same physical position as the last.
Anything seem off here? Suggestions gratefully accepted... I don't want to switch to Tomato or OpenWRT or anything - I have some scripts for parental controls I don't want to rewrite.
I'm not married to this router, if anyone has a better suggestion. The R8000 was +$10 from the R7800, so I got it instead. I'm not happy that the dd-wrt implementation for virtual interfaces don't have MAC include/exclude lists like the Archer C7 did... Only the physical interfaces have MAC lists in this version .
SNB router ranker has the R8000 ranked near the bottom of the router charts for 2.4ghz.
Mind you, this is based on performance using stock firmware so ddwrt performance may differ.
As for DDwrt specific settings, post screen shots of your 2.4 configuration pages so we can see if there is room for improvement. _________________ Router currently owned:
Netgear R7800 - Router
Netgear R7000 - AP mode
Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 16:28 Post subject: Re: Netgear R8000... Horrific 2.4MHz speeds
bschuhma wrote:
R8000... I grabbed the latest firmware for my model as of a couple days ago (10-10-2017-r33492). I've tried to reconfigure the new router like the old (same SSIDs, settings, etc.). I'm now getting 2-10MBs on the 2.4GHz side... far worse than my old, Archer C7 router.
FWIW, I've configured a new 5G (on wl0), and cannot even connect to it. The "dd-wrt" SSID is on wl2 (5G) and I can connect to THAT 5G SSID and I get about 90MBs on that one.
I presume you reset after updating, then manually set up. First, try setting the wireless mode to NG-Mixed for 2.4 GHz. I've seen where using 'Mixed' or 'N-only' can cause the issue you describe. Also, keep your Advanced Wireless settings at default for now. Fwiw, the only settings I change are the N*-Mixed, Ack timing = 0, and Bluetooth Coexist = Preemptive, but the latter two may not exist on all models. _________________ #NAT/SFE/CTF: limited speed w/ DD#Repeater issues#DD-WRT info: FAQ, Builds, Types, Modes, Changes, Demo#
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@JWH7 - by reset do you mean the 30/30/30 reset? No, didn't do that. Do you advise that and reset everything (or take a backup of settings, do 30/30/30 reset, restore from backup)?
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Posted: Wed Oct 18, 2017 20:54 Post subject:
bschuhma wrote:
@JWH7 - by reset do you mean the 30/30/30 reset? No, didn't do that. Do you advise that and reset everything (or take a backup of settings, do 30/30/30 reset, restore from backup)?
Thanks,
Bret
vat iz diz 30/30/30, diz iz tu olt doont do it, it coz oll sortz ov meszz
uzz diz inzted:
Telnet (or SSH) into 192.168.1.1
Issue commands:
erase nvram
reboot _________________ Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ---DD-WRT 55630 WAP
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -DD-WRT 55723 Gateway/DoT,Forced DNS,Ad-Block,Firewall,x4VLAN,VPN
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -Gargoyle OS 1.15.x AP,DNS,QoS,Quotas
Qualcomm-Atheros
Netgear XR500 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoH,Forced DNS,AP Isolation,4VLAN,Ad-Block,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R7800 --DD-WRT 55819 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,Forced DNS,AP&Net Isolation,x3VLAN,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R9000 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,AP Isolation,Firewall,Forced DNS,x2VLAN,Vanilla
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 --DD-WRT 55460 Gateway/SmartDNS/DoH,AD-Block,Firewall,Forced DNS,x3VLAN,VPN
NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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@slidermike - I made the changes you suggested. Things look a bit better - not great, but better. I'm seeing speeds in the 73Mbps range about 20 feet from the router, through a floor (office is in the basement, router at the other end of the garage above me ). Not horrible... but not 300Mbps and certainly doesn't feel like I'm getting my money's worth for a fairly expensive router . I know I won't get 300 over wifi, but 150Mbps+ would be great!
Thanks, @Alozaros. I did the 30/30/30 thing before I saw your reply. It actually had NO effect. Weird. I did, however, do the recommended Netgear "hold the reset button for 5 seconds" and the router did blow away all its configuration back to dd-wrt " out of the box " settings. I went ahead and did speed tests over and over, documenting things. All I changed was the network names (SSIDs) of wl0, wl1, and wl2. Wl1 is the 2.4GHz radio. The speeds when I'm about 5 feet from the router are reasonable (about 110Mbps), but even in the next room, maybe 20 feet away, the speeds are crap (20Mbps at most, and many tests in the 7-10Mbps).
I've been using an R8000 for a while and here are my 2.4GHz settings. Hopefully it will help, I don't know how to measure my wifi speeds however, so not sure how fast my performance actually is, but I've never noticed horribly slow speeds
I've been using an R8000 for a while and here are my 2.4GHz settings. Hopefully it will help, I don't know how to measure my wifi speeds however, so not sure how fast my performance actually is, but I've never noticed horribly slow speeds
Turn On Explicit and Implicit Beamforcing. Keep Wireless Broadcast and TurboQAM both on. Airtime Fairness off.
Hope that helps!
What version?
Also have R8000 with v3.0-r31205M and 2.4Ghz is fine. Up for 147 days!!!
73Mbps down/29Mbps up when next to the router
2.4Ghz settings:-
Mixed mode
Auto channel
Channel width : 20Mhz
Enabled: Optimized Multicast, Turbo QAM.
I've been using an R8000 for a while and here are my 2.4GHz settings. Hopefully it will help, I don't know how to measure my wifi speeds however, so not sure how fast my performance actually is, but I've never noticed horribly slow speeds
Turn On Explicit and Implicit Beamforcing. Keep Wireless Broadcast and TurboQAM both on. Airtime Fairness off.
Hope that helps!
What version?
Also have R8000 with v3.0-r31205M and 2.4Ghz is fine. Up for 147 days!!!
73Mbps down/29Mbps up when next to the router
2.4Ghz settings:-
Mixed mode
Auto channel
Channel width : 20Mhz
Enabled: Optimized Multicast, Turbo QAM.
Auto channel is worst you can do. Scan surrounding APs and choose a channel far from the crowd. Channel width on 2.4 almost always is better 20mhz unless you live in the countryside. _________________ R6400v2 (boardID:30) - Kong 36480 running since 03/09/18 - (AP - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R7800 - BS 31924 running since 05/26/17 - (AP - OpenVPN Client - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R7000 - BS 30771 running since 12/16/16 - (AP - NAS - FTP - SMB - OpenVPN Server - Transmission - DDNS - DNSMasq - AdBlocking - QoS) R6250 - BS 29193 running since 03/20/16 - (AP - NAS - FTP - SMB - DNSMasq - AdBlocking)
@slidermike - I made the changes you suggested. Things look a bit better - not great, but better. I'm seeing speeds in the 73Mbps range about 20 feet from the router, through a floor (office is in the basement, router at the other end of the garage above me ). Not horrible... but not 300Mbps and certainly doesn't feel like I'm getting my money's worth for a fairly expensive router . I know I won't get 300 over wifi, but 150Mbps+ would be great!
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Posted: Thu Oct 19, 2017 16:36 Post subject:
bschuhma wrote:
@slidermike - I made the changes you suggested. Things look a bit better - not great, but better. I'm seeing speeds in the 73Mbps range about 20 feet from the router, through a floor (office is in the basement, router at the other end of the garage above me ). Not horrible... but not 300Mbps and certainly doesn't feel like I'm getting my money's worth for a fairly expensive router . I know I won't get 300 over wifi, but 150Mbps+ would be great!
I've attached pics of my setup.
Thanks for your time!!
Regards,
Bret
Wi-Fi speed also depends on you WiFi clients , thickness of those walls,
settings, distance and power......
for 2,4Ghz use this settings:
country domain Canada or Haiti
channel 11 + lower at 40HT
NG mixed
Short GI
Short Preamble
Protection Mode none
RTS Threshold disabled
airtime fairness is off
also use AES WPA2 WiFI security all the rest are not that good for high speeds
i don't use any of those beam forming implicit/explicit
i do not use 5GHz as i don't need it but in general it provides a better Wi-Fi speeds but lower range than 2,4Ghz _________________ Atheros
TP-Link WR740Nv1 ---DD-WRT 55630 WAP
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -DD-WRT 55723 Gateway/DoT,Forced DNS,Ad-Block,Firewall,x4VLAN,VPN
TP-Link WR1043NDv2 -Gargoyle OS 1.15.x AP,DNS,QoS,Quotas
Qualcomm-Atheros
Netgear XR500 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoH,Forced DNS,AP Isolation,4VLAN,Ad-Block,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R7800 --DD-WRT 55819 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,Forced DNS,AP&Net Isolation,x3VLAN,Firewall,Vanilla
Netgear R9000 --DD-WRT 55779 Gateway/DoT,AD-Block,AP Isolation,Firewall,Forced DNS,x2VLAN,Vanilla
Broadcom
Netgear R7000 --DD-WRT 55460 Gateway/SmartDNS/DoH,AD-Block,Firewall,Forced DNS,x3VLAN,VPN
NOT USING 5Ghz ANYWHERE
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Stubby DNS over TLS I DNSCrypt v2 by mac913
Don't use 40HT on the 2.4ghz unless you have no neighbors at all. Don't be one of those inconsiderate people. _________________ I am far from a guru, I'm barely a novice.