WNDR4500 (N900) supported?

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mystykmax
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 17, 2014 19:15    Post subject: Reply with quote
ere109 wrote:
Shall I assume that, since Kong said development was complete, that we're done talking about this router, and its just going to become mainstream while this thread falls into oblivion?

I asked that just a couple posts above and the answer was the opposite. It still is definitely supported.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:18    Post subject: Reply with quote
First of all: thanks to Kong for stable build.

I'm happy with last dd-wrt.v24-K3_AC_NEWD_23885.bin on WNDR4500v2 except Wi-Fi performance. In other parts it's rock solid. Compare to stock Netgear WNDR4500v2_V1.0.0.42_1.0.25 i can only reach 7,5 Mb/s on 2.4/5GHz bands from my MacBook Pro (AirPort Extreme Broadcom BCM43xx Wi-Fi card) on DD-WRT kongac - build 23885M, but I can see transfer speeds up to 12,5 Mb/s on Netgear stock. It's almost twice faster Sad

Is there any fresh K2.6 builds or any others (K3?) with better Wi-Fi performance/old Broadcom drivers?

Another bug? is high CPU load with VPN PPTP client configured on boot. I also have L2TP WAN. If I kill that vpn_client ppp process from shell, it's reestablished fine and doesn't load router's CPU anymore. So looks like some bootup collision there.

I have also request for new builds: please add fsck.hfs to it. If I use HFS+ volumes with Netgear they made RO after unclean shutdown and there is no possibility to repair it on Netgear. I need to connect HDD to Mac and run Disk Utility. It's better to add fsck to mount script and check volumes by router itself.

p.s. I successfully flashed before last MEGA BrainSlayer builds from stock Netgear Web UI:
dd-wrt.v24-23838_NEWD-2_K3.x_mega-WNDR4500V2.chk and
dd-wrt.v24-23838_NEWD-2_K3.x_mega-WNDR4500V2.bin after, but this fw was not stable (router reboots few times).
Managed back to stock Netgear fw only by mtd erase linux command (not found any other way to put my unit to TFTP mode on that FW). 30/30/30 reset didn't help (router didn't respond to ping). Flashing from WEB didn't do the job too. Happily CFE was not cleared by erase linux command...

Current MTD layout (kongac fw):
root@WNDR4500:/jffs# cat /proc/mtd
dev: size erasesize name
mtd0: 00200000 00010000 "cfe"
mtd1: 00010000 00010000 "nvram"
mtd2: 02000000 00020000 "linux"
mtd3: 05f00000 00020000 "ddwrt"
mtd4: 02000000 00020000 "nandimage"
mtd5: 01e8a000 00020000 "rootfs"
mtd6: 00010000 00010000 "board_data"


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:39    Post subject: Reply with quote
tsynik wrote:
First of all: thanks to Kong for stable build.

I'm happy with last dd-wrt.v24-K3_AC_NEWD_23885.bin on WNDR4500v2 except Wi-Fi performance. Compare to stock Netgear WNDR4500v2_V1.0.0.42_1.0.25 i can only reach 7,5 Mb/s on 5GHz band from my MacBook Pro (AirPort Extreme Broadcom BCM43xx Wi-Fi card) on DD-WRT kongac - build 23885M, but I can see transfer speeds up to 12,5 Mb/s on Netgear stock. It's almost twice faster Sad



Can you show me a screenshot of your wl1 wireless status.
I compared Netgear to DD-WRT on the R6300 and DD-WRT is faster.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 8:43    Post subject: Reply with quote
<Kong> wrote:

Can you show me a screenshot of your wl1 wireless status.
I compared Netgear to DD-WRT on the R6300 and DD-WRT is faster.

Here it is:
http://yadi.sk/d/C81jqQG_MhxNC
And current config:
http://yadi.sk/d/3VxodmY4MhvEn
http://yadi.sk/d/66CeIuzNMhvvc
http://yadi.sk/d/JJlz-vMiMhySj
That's info on Mac:
http://yadi.sk/d/Y8qlCBRQMhwF4

Router is in 1 meter from notebook. And I can't get more than 144 rate. On stock fw there is 300 Wink
Tried change country / channel etc without any success.
Now almost all settings in defaults (never tried change TX power from 71 to any other thou).
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 9:21    Post subject: Reply with quote
tsynik wrote:
<Kong> wrote:

Can you show me a screenshot of your wl1 wireless status.
I compared Netgear to DD-WRT on the R6300 and DD-WRT is faster.

Here it is:
http://yadi.sk/d/C81jqQG_MhxNC
And current config:
http://yadi.sk/d/3VxodmY4MhvEn
http://yadi.sk/d/66CeIuzNMhvvc
http://yadi.sk/d/JJlz-vMiMhySj
That's info on Mac:
http://yadi.sk/d/Y8qlCBRQMhwF4

Router is in 1 meter from notebook. And I can't get more than 144 rate. On stock fw there is 300 Wink
Tried change country / channel etc without any success.
Now almost all settings in defaults (never tried change TX power from 71 to any other thou).


You need to set a fixed channel and probably want N-only.

But the fixed channel e.g. 36 should get you double width you are currently running in 20Mhz width mode because of the auto channel.

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 18, 2014 10:11    Post subject: Reply with quote
<Kong> wrote:

You need to set a fixed channel and probably want N-only.

But the fixed channel e.g. 36 should get you double width you are currently running in 20Mhz width mode because of the auto channel.


You're right, sir ) Thanks for pointing me to right config! With fixed channel and N-only mode now I have 300+ rate.

http://yadi.sk/d/om9g1ldGMiDqd

http://yadi.sk/d/Iik6tIP8MiEN5

Can't saturate bandwidth with torrent (I have only 100 Mbit WAN), but transfer HD to USB HDD can pass now 10Mb/s barrier over smb transfer (9,5Mb/s average to HFS+ volume, about only 5-6 Mb/s to NTFS). I think Netgear fw have better USB performance, that's why I saw 12+ Mb/s there when I was done Wireless Backup to Time Machine disk over afp protocol.

p.s. I saw Asus fw uses paragon driver for handling NTFS, isn't it have better performance?
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 11:34    Post subject: Reply with quote
tsynik wrote:
<Kong> wrote:

You need to set a fixed channel and probably want N-only.

But the fixed channel e.g. 36 should get you double width you are currently running in 20Mhz width mode because of the auto channel.


You're right, sir ) Thanks for pointing me to right config! With fixed channel and N-only mode now I have 300+ rate.

http://yadi.sk/d/om9g1ldGMiDqd

http://yadi.sk/d/Iik6tIP8MiEN5

Can't saturate bandwidth with torrent (I have only 100 Mbit WAN), but transfer HD to USB HDD can pass now 10Mb/s barrier over smb transfer (9,5Mb/s average to HFS+ volume, about only 5-6 Mb/s to NTFS). I think Netgear fw have better USB performance, that's why I saw 12+ Mb/s there when I was done Wireless Backup to Time Machine disk over afp protocol.

p.s. I saw Asus fw uses paragon driver for handling NTFS, isn't it have better performance?


Yes it is faster, but not very reliable. It is also close source and needs a license, thus even if we would like to use it, it is not possible.

The dual arms are much faster 40MB/s on the R7000 a bit slower on the R6300V2/R6250

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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 14:21    Post subject: Reply with quote
<Kong> wrote:

The dual arms are much faster 40MB/s on the R7000 a bit slower on the R6300V2/R6250


I see... So, the best option for speed up transfers to use ext4 or hfs+... Can you add hfsprogs (or only fsck.hfs binary) to future builds? I want to use HDD mostly for wireless backup, and for afpd hfs+ fs is the best option. I can't find hfsprogs in any of optware sources thou.

Also, found strange bug with Sys-Info web page. On build 23885 it was displayed without secondary navigation menu line. On build 23900M it doesn't displayed at all (get main page instead). The same behavior with Sys-Info I saw in last BrainSlayer builds. Tried on FF 28.0 and Safari (Mac).
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 19, 2014 22:55    Post subject: 23900? Reply with quote
What's the scoop with build 23900? The changelog hasn't changed? Thank you!
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 1:13    Post subject: Reply with quote
I'm gonna try 23900 tonight. Just to verify, going from 23730 I can log into the web gui, administrator tab, and enter the following commands, reboot, then upgrade? Thanks for the heads up on this, Kong!

nvram set wl_amsdu=auto
nvram set wl0_amsdu=auto
nvram set wl1_amsdu=auto
nvram set wl_rx_amsdu_in_ampdu=auto
nvram set wl0_rx_amsdu_in_ampdu=auto
nvram set wl1_rx_amsdu_in_ampdu=auto
nvram commit
reboot
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 6:57    Post subject: Reply with quote
<Kong>, in release notes obout your builds I found that note:

Known Issues:

(1) WDS with encryption is currently only possible if 5G radio is disabled. This is no bug
but a curent limitation of the wds auth daemon.

but, I have WNDR4500v2, configured with both radios, and have WDS connection on 2.4GHz side from TP-Link MR3020 (Atheros based), which works fine with WPA2/AES authentication on that channel. Only change I made was enable STP on bridge br0 in WNDR4500 (found info it must be enabled for encrypted conn). Only issue I have no signal level for It on Wileless Info page (see attach)

I'm on DD-WRT v24-sp2 (04/17/14) kongac - build 23900M .

Also, I can't set up your optware, have permission denied problem on WEB and via ipkg update. Even for new builds I need to use TOR for access to downloads... But I have static IP which must be free from any blocklists... Is those blocks country based (I'm in Russia)? Optware from http://ipkg.nslu2-linux.org not compatible (some errors about FPU emulation in dmesg), tried netatalk and avahi-daemon from there...



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 8:53    Post subject: Reply with quote
tsynik wrote:
<Kong>, in release notes obout your builds I found that note:

Known Issues:

(1) WDS with encryption is currently only possible if 5G radio is disabled. This is no bug
but a curent limitation of the wds auth daemon.

but, I have WNDR4500v2, configured with both radios, and have WDS connection on 2.4GHz side from TP-Link MR3020 (Atheros based), which works fine with WPA2/AES authentication on that channel. Only change I made was enable STP on bridge br0 in WNDR4500 (found info it must be enabled for encrypted conn). Only issue I have no signal level for It on Wileless Info page (see attach)


This is pure luck and it depends on boot startup timing. The daemon cannot work with two radios currently and it will only use wl0 if wl1 came up before wl0.
Otherwise encryption daemon cannot communicate. Thus even with manually starting the daemon you only can use it on wl0.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:08    Post subject: Reply with quote
<Kong> wrote:
Thus even with manually starting the daemon you only can use it on wl0.

Now I understand what you mean in that note. So, it doesn't work on 5GHz band (which is always second?), and works on 2.4 Wink

I'm fighting 2 days with VPN connections. Found very odd pptp (ppp) performance on dd-wrt (Netgear). VPN server configured on Asus RT-N16 with stock ASUS FW / VPN server implementation. It have HW acceleration (CFE = Cut Through Forwardind) enabled. With that option I can reach 30 Mbit performance over encrypted (MPPE) connection, but only if I connected directrly from PC. Without CFE it gives me ~10 mbit link. For some weird reasons, with CFE enabled unencrypted sessions doesn't work (connects fine, pings fine, but no data received). So, DD-WRT configured with mppe required. And VPN connected and working, BUT I have only 300KB/s (~2 mbit) speed on actial transfers)... The same VPN session from computer (not DD-WRT) gives me 10x faster link (~30 mbit). It's on 100 mbit LAN.

Strange thing is: CPU on router not overloaded, it's 50-70% max (according to top) during transfers, so it's something other than HW limitation.


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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:20    Post subject: Reply with quote
tsynik wrote:
<Kong> wrote:
Thus even with manually starting the daemon you only can use it on wl0.

Now I understand what you mean in that note. So, it doesn't work on 5GHz band (which is always second?), and works on 2.4 Wink

I'm fighting 2 days with VPN connections. Found very odd pptp (ppp) performance on dd-wrt (Netgear). VPN server configured on Asus RT-N16 with stock ASUS VPN server implementation. It have HW acceleration (CFE = Cut Through Forwardind) enabled. With that option I can reach 30 Mbit performance over encrypted (MPPE) connection, but only if I connected directrly from PC. Without CFE it gives me ~10 mbit link. For some weird reasons, with CFE enabled unencrypted sessions doesn't work (connects fine, pings fine, but no data received). So, DD-WRT configured with mppe required. And VPN connected and working, BUT I have only 300KB/s (~2 mbit) speed on actial transfers)... The same VPN session from computer (not DD-WRT) gives me 10x faster link (~30 mbit). It's on 100 mbit LAN.

Strange thing is: CPU on router not overloaded, it's 50-70% max (according to top) during transfers, so it's something other than HW limitation.


No you just don't interpret numbers correctly, what you always see is some cpu load for the task and irq/sirq load that is used by the system.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 21, 2014 9:23    Post subject: Reply with quote
<Kong> wrote:

No you just don't interpret numbers correctly, what you always see is some cpu load for the task and irq/sirq load that is used by the system.

OK, but Asus N16 have less performance broadcom hardware, and it can forward with PPP/MPPE 10 to 30 mbit easily, why twice performanced N900 can't reach even 10?

How do you think, if I'll set up dd-wrt on N16, and will use OpenVPN Server / client for example, will it give me more speed? I need PtP between 2 remote nets on maximum speed (100 mbit is ideal as network allow it).
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