Joined: 16 May 2010 Posts: 130 Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 15:18 Post subject: Re: QOS?
chir0n wrote:
I am using the latest build, dd-wrt v24-sp2 (svn 21676) mini, and im finding it hard to set or configure QoS on my device right.. I set
http @ port 80 to bulk
http-flash @ port 1935 to bulk
onlinegame @ port XXX to exempt/premium
but when someone buffers videos on youtube, my ping dramatically increases, thus having laggy gameplay.
Did i miss anything? Or is QoS currently broken on my device?
It probably bugs you to set less than 100% of your available bandwidth in these fields but this is required. There will be a bottleneck somewhere in the system and QoS can only work if the bottleneck is in your router where it has control. The goal is to force the bottleneck to be in your router as opposed to some random location out on the wire over which you have no control. Some ISP's even have bursting ("powerboost") which will temporarily give you extra bandwidth when you first start using your connection but will later throttle down to a sustained rate. Fortunately there is usually a minimum level that you receive on a consistent basis and you must set your QoS limits below this minimum. The problem is finding this minimum and you may have to repeat speed tests many times before determining it. For this reason start with 80% of your measured speed and try things for a couple of days. If the performance is acceptable you can start to inch your levels up. If you go even 2% higher than you should be, your QoS will totally stop working (just too high) or randomly stop working (when your ISP node/DSLAM is slow aka saturated). This can lead to a lot of confusion on your part so get it working first by conservatively setting these speeds and then optimize later.
_________________ Hope that helps,
John
DD-WRT 21676 K26 Mini, Kong 22000++, Kong 25015-SP1, and 26138
I currently have 10m down/ 3m up *advertised service
after a couple of speedtests from different providers,
i determined my ul to only be 2.4ul up/8.2 dl.
and so i set my QoS to
1788 ul
6503 dl
85% of my average bandwidth.. both kbps
am i wrong with the values?
or should i set them @ 50%? (because i think i may have problems with isp network congestion especially at lunch-afternoon)
Joined: 16 May 2010 Posts: 130 Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 16:46 Post subject:
chir0n wrote:
@JNavas
I currently have 10m down/ 3m up *advertised service
after a couple of speedtests from different providers,
i determined my ul to only be 2.4ul up/8.2 dl.
and so i set my QoS to
1788 ul
6503 dl
85% of my average bandwidth.. both kbps
am i wrong with the values?
or should i set them @ 50%? (because i think i may have problems with isp network congestion especially at lunch-afternoon)
please enlighten me. Thank you!
85% should be fine as long as you don't experience significant "network congestion".
Retest when you expect or experience significant "network congestion". _________________ Hope that helps,
John
DD-WRT 21676 K26 Mini, Kong 22000++, Kong 25015-SP1, and 26138
well the thing is, i set em up like that, but browsing, video buffering makes my network seem to prioritize those most even when i set them to bulk. so pings from gameplays (dota2, lol, crossfire) suffers. when someone plays youtube videos, pings soar as high as 200 ~ 1000+ ping, making them really unplayable. if i set my ul/dl values to 1mb/3mb or something n value, should my pings remain? (about 22-50 ms, when i solo). Can't test it right now because i have clients connected and playing right now
Joined: 16 May 2010 Posts: 130 Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 17:40 Post subject:
chir0n wrote:
well the thing is, i set em up like that, but browsing, video buffering makes my network seem to prioritize those most even when i set them to bulk. so pings from gameplays (dota2, lol, crossfire) suffers. when someone plays youtube videos, pings soar as high as 200 ~ 1000+ ping, making them really unplayable. if i set my ul/dl values to 1mb/3mb or something n value, should my pings remain? (about 22-50 ms, when i solo). Can't test it right now because i have clients connected and playing right now
Assuming you've setup everything correctly (!), the likely problem is saturation of your downlink.
QoS in a consumer grade device is problematic, especially with something like video streaming, which trys to saturate your connection.
Short of going to a business grade Internet connection or router, see if you can throttle the video streaming.
"There is no magic." _________________ Hope that helps,
John
DD-WRT 21676 K26 Mini, Kong 22000++, Kong 25015-SP1, and 26138
well when someone plays youtube or whatnot, i do speedtests and they rly do show 8mb+ dl,2mb ul. ill try later afternoon (when network is congested) and post here the results. if somehow, maybe, we're being low prioritzed (isp's fault) then should i forget this whole QoS thing? We are paying 90~100 usd monthly (4,000 ph peso) every month and I think we don't deserve this. Am I missing half of the principles of this QoS protocol or the feature doesn't really work on our corrupted country. LOL
EDIT: maybe really i should just buy an industry grade router with pc-like specs.. lol (pfsense?!)
Joined: 16 May 2010 Posts: 130 Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 18:44 Post subject:
chir0n wrote:
well when someone plays youtube or whatnot, i do speedtests and they rly do show 8mb+ dl,2mb ul. ill try later afternoon (when network is congested) and post here the results. if somehow, maybe, we're being low prioritzed (isp's fault) then should i forget this whole QoS thing? We are paying 90~100 usd monthly (4,000 ph peso) every month and I think we don't deserve this. Am I missing half of the principles of this QoS thing or the feature doesn't really work on our corrupted country. LOL
With respect, your expectations are unrealistic. QoS at only one end can only do so much.
Your latency, while high by gaming standards, is actually good in Internet terms.
Real-time gaming needs minimal latency (not high bandwidth), which ain't gonna happen on a saturated connection.
Whereas video streaming is designed to minimize freezing by maximizing (saturating) delivery.
So you can have one or the other, but not both at the same time on the same consumer service.
Or to put it another way, "You can't have your cake and eat it too,"
You would probably be happier with two (slower) Internet services for your two different purposes. _________________ Hope that helps,
John
DD-WRT 21676 K26 Mini, Kong 22000++, Kong 25015-SP1, and 26138
Joined: 16 May 2010 Posts: 130 Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posted: Wed Sep 03, 2014 18:59 Post subject:
chir0n wrote:
EDIT: maybe really i should just buy an industry grade router with pc-like specs.. lol (pfsense?!)
PFSense is indeed far more sophisticated than DD-WRT, but configuring it properly is not for the faint of heart.
The VK-T40E goes for $450 with PFSense installed, and could use your DD-WRT box as a wireless access point.
That's roughly the entry price point for business grade routing.
Your success will also depend on how well your Internet provider supports QoS,
something you typically get with more expensive business grade service, not consumer grade service. _________________ Hope that helps,
John
DD-WRT 21676 K26 Mini, Kong 22000++, Kong 25015-SP1, and 26138
I just hooked up my e1200 v2 with ddwrt upto my verizon fios ONT via ethernet and allthough its working. I get roughly 80Mbps Down and maybe 1.5Mbps Upload. as where with my old actiontec MI424WR I would get 80Mbps up and 8Mbps down. How can I increase my upload speed?
Joined: 16 May 2010 Posts: 130 Location: San Francisco Bay Area
Posted: Sun Sep 21, 2014 15:50 Post subject:
SomeoneOnLine wrote:
I just hooked up my e1200 v2 with ddwrt upto my verizon fios ONT via ethernet and allthough its working. I get roughly 80Mbps Down and maybe 1.5Mbps Upload. as where with my old actiontec MI424WR I would get 80Mbps up and 8Mbps down. How can I increase my upload speed?
(Firmware: DD-WRT v24-sp2 (03/25/13) mega
Any ideas?
1. Check speed with factory firmware.
2. Try other recommended DD-WRT builds.
Linksys E1200v2 Wiki : More Information _________________ Hope that helps,
John
DD-WRT 21676 K26 Mini, Kong 22000++, Kong 25015-SP1, and 26138
Sorry I meant to say with my actiontec I was getting 80Mbps Up and 80Mbps down. When I plugged back in the actiontec it got back to normal 80up/80down. I end up plugging the actiontec back in at least for the next week. I will be traveling for work and will need that high upload speed. In the mean time I will do some reasearch and see if the e1200 that I have is even capable of giving at least 75Mbps upload? which is what I am paying for. What is the recomended dd-wrt firmware for the e1200 v2? I tried Tomato shibby (or whatever its called) and got about 80down and .75Mbps up. So Tomato was worse.
