Access Restrictions and 2nd AP

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ScottyDoo
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 13:07    Post subject: Access Restrictions and 2nd AP Reply with quote
Hi All,

I am currently using my DDWRT router with DHCP and Access Restrictions in place as well as routing rules for VPN use and OpenDNS

I want to add an additional router as an AP to service an area of the house with bad reception. The AP will be wired to the original router. My question is can I set this up in a way that connected devices will still follow the rules of the original router?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 16, 2018 16:52    Post subject: Reply with quote
Wireless Acces Point (WAP): https://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Access_Point

Basically connect LAN to LAN, disable DHCP, disable WAN connecction, set router IP in range of subnet but outside DHCP range

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ScottyDoo
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 17, 2018 7:00    Post subject: Reply with quote
egc wrote:
Wireless Acces Point (WAP): https://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Wireless_Access_Point

Basically connect LAN to LAN, disable DHCP, disable WAN connecction, set router IP in range of subnet but outside DHCP range


Seems too easy Very Happy... Thanks will give it a go.
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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 4:08    Post subject: Reply with quote
egc,

Can this approach be expanded on by adding 2 or 3 more routers wired to the OP's 2nd router's LAN? Or would they also have to be wired-connected all the way back directly to the front WiFi router's LAN?

I need to extend my WiFi to 3 or 4 other areas with weak WiFi connectivity. And let my devices connect using the same settings in any of the extended areas. ie one set of passwords, access restrictions, etc for my whole WiFi system. Want to use 2.4ghz, 5ghz, & guest.

Otherwise, I guess a switch would be needed to limit the number of ethernet cables which have to go all the way back to the main WiFi router.

Do you have a suggestion on which router I might want to select for this task? I'm looking for 1gbs for WAN, LAN and an effective actual thru put on the order of 100 to 160 gbs. My current WiFi router at may main router stack is a TP-Link wdr4300 which maybe should be upgraded.

I prefer running cat5/6 cable, but want to limit the number of cables I have to run all the way back to my main router stack. And other concerns might make be better handles in a separate thread rather than hijacking this thread?

regards,
Sam

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 8:25    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sam1789 wrote:
egc,

Can this approach be expanded on by adding 2 or 3 more routers wired to the OP's 2nd router's LAN? Or would they also have to be wired-connected all the way back directly to the front WiFi router's LAN?

I need to extend my WiFi to 3 or 4 other areas with weak WiFi connectivity. And let my devices connect using the same settings in any of the extended areas. ie one set of passwords, access restrictions, etc for my whole WiFi system. Want to use 2.4ghz, 5ghz, & guest.

Otherwise, I guess a switch would be needed to limit the number of ethernet cables which have to go all the way back to the main WiFi router.

Do you have a suggestion on which router I might want to select for this task? I'm looking for 1gbs for WAN, LAN and an effective actual thru put on the order of 100 to 160 gbs. My current WiFi router at may main router stack is a TP-Link wdr4300 which maybe should be upgraded.

I prefer running cat5/6 cable, but want to limit the number of cables I have to run all the way back to my main router stack. And other concerns might make be better handles in a separate thread rather than hijacking this thread?

regards,
Sam


The routers when configured as a WAP act as a switch, so yes you can run the cable from router 1 to 2 and from 2 to 3 etc. and do not have to use a star topology.
for routers 2,3 any 1 Gb/s router will do as you are only using the 1 Gb/s switch of the router.

For your internet connected router things are different, the NAT and firewall use a lot of processing power and if you want 1 Gb/s WAN/Internet you need a high end router like a NetGear R7800.
I have a Netgear R6400 with dual core Arm 800 MHz CPU and this will get about 250 Mb/s and with SFE (als know as CTF and wrongly labelled hardware NAT) around 600 MB/s. But SFE does not work under all circumstances.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 19, 2018 15:27    Post subject: Reply with quote
egc,

Thanks for your reply. Great to know that I can keep extending the AP's from the 2nd router like one would with a simple switch.

The NetGear RT6400 is a little more than I was looking to spend for the remote located device. Or were you suggesting it as a replacement for my TP-Link wdr4300 (my main WiFi router). Like you mentioned, I have a powerful router in as my front router.

In a little bit, I'll continue this in a new thread as there are more details to consider.

In the meantime, how would a simple WiFi AP box do to get this running quickly? Maybe something like a Tp-Link TL-WA860RE Wi-Fi Range Extender With AC Passthrough,
https://www.walmart.com/ip/Tp-Link-TL-WA860RE-Wi-Fi-Range-Extender-With-AC-Passthrough/43748281

thanks
Sam


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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 8:51    Post subject: Reply with quote
I should not spend money on a range extender.
The R 6400 was indeed mentioned as your main internet router and then use something like the TP-Link wdr4300 as you AP's.
If you cable it with Cat6 you have a future proof setup

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Sam1789
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 16:39    Post subject: Reply with quote
egc wrote:
I should not spend money on a range extender.
The R 6400 was indeed mentioned as your main internet router and then use something like the TP-Link wdr4300 as you AP's.
If you cable it with Cat6 you have a future proof setup

egc,
Thanks for your reply. I have already ordered a R6400 for the first AP... & it will be here later this afternoon. Ah well... Figured I'd stay with my wrt3200 as my front facing router. It's got more horsepower and with its WiFi disabled, I have it running with good stability. & it will handle greater speed thru put than my ISP can provide. Though my devices using the AP's will be going thru the AP + 2 routers before they get to the internet.

I will be taking your advice and getting the TP-Link wdr4300's for the other AP's.
Btw I know the wdr4300 v 1.7 does dd-wrt fine. Do all of their v1 models handle dd-wrt ok? I've found 2 used ones on Ebay at good prices, one is a v1.7 but the other is only v 1 model.

Also which post 10-16-2017 builds are best for these TP-Link wdr4300's & the R6400? Checking the Atheros forum threads seemed to indicate that the recent dd-wrt versions have issues which might affect my use of them.

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wrt 1200v2 for one of my secure subnets.
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egc
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 17:36    Post subject: Reply with quote
I can not advice you on the TP link, I have no experience with Atheros based routers, you should research in the Atheros forum.
Regarding the R6400 one word of caution there also exists an R6400 v2 a slightly modified and faster v1, unfortunately there is no firmware for the v2 version yet.
My preferred firmware for the R6400v1 is Kongs build. He has a "stable" build: http://www.desipro.de/ddwrt/K3-AC-Arm/ and a test build in the TEST directory. I am using the TEST build and it works great.
For the first flash reset to defaults, flash the .chk build and afterwards "erase nvram" from the command prompt

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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 19:18    Post subject: Reply with quote
egc wrote:
I can not advice you on the TP link, I have no experience with Atheros based routers, you should research in the Atheros forum.
Regarding the R6400 one word of caution there also exists an R6400 v2 a slightly modified and faster v1, unfortunately there is no firmware for the v2 version yet.
My preferred firmware for the R6400v1 is Kongs build. He has a "stable" build: http://www.desipro.de/ddwrt/K3-AC-Arm/ and a test build in the TEST directory. I am using the TEST build and it works great.
For the first flash reset to defaults, flash the .chk build and afterwards "erase nvram" from the command prompt

Ouch !! Didn't know about the v1 vs v2 issue. I just checked the Amazon page for the specific item that's coming in. And "of course" there's no mention of any version number. Ugh !!

Thanks for the information that will keep me from possibly bricking it, if it's a v2 model. And if its a v1, then I will try the Kong build you suggested. Probably will do the regular build first unless the test build has features you think I'll need.

On the TP-Link, I take it that you're thinking it will be plenty good enough power-wise to use for my AP routers? Re which dd-wrt build to use, I think I have one from back in November that I can install. If I remember right, it was deemed good by people back then. Maybe it makes sense to stick with that one, even if it's not the latest. That'll let me get a new 4300 if I can find one close by and the R6400 turns out to be a version 2.

Regards,
Sam

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wrt 3200's for speed & cpu power, NG R6300v2's for WiFi AP's,
wrt 1200v2 for one of my secure subnets.
wrt54GLs for ad'l 3rd tier machines.
Sam1789
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 20, 2018 23:43    Post subject: Reply with quote
egc,
Thanks again for your help with this project. And specifically with the info on the NetGear R6400 and the version 2 issues with using dd-wrt.

"my" new R6400 arrived around 6pm. BUT is is a version 2 blast it. At least this only cost me less than 24 hrs to find out. And I avoided maybe bricking it. But now can't get any replacement before Monday. So 3 days lost. And thus probably can't get my setup up, running smoothly on dd-wrt & tested by Monday. Blast it. Sad

Will be sending this v2 back, of course. Any ideas for a decently powerful high thru put router for use as my AP? (preferably with a WiFi on/off switch.)

Any suggestions on a different router to look at? = decently powerful, good high thru put (at least 100 to 160 gbs, dd-wrt compatible, 1 gbs on all ethernet ports, good amounts of ram & flash ram, and good stability. (preferably with a WiFi on-off switch). with a price 50 to 100 $US.

Sam

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multi-tier router stack
wrt 3200's for speed & cpu power, NG R6300v2's for WiFi AP's,
wrt 1200v2 for one of my secure subnets.
wrt54GLs for ad'l 3rd tier machines.
Sam1789
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 21, 2018 14:22    Post subject: Reply with quote
egc,

What do you think about the NetGear R6300v2 for my AP project? It's cpu is only 600Mhz, but its got decent RAM at 256MB, flash RAM at 128MB, & its a Broadcom chipset. There's dd-wrt FW for it, too, right?

refurbs at Amazon for ~40 $US w that fast Amazon delivery.

Sam

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multi-tier router stack
wrt 3200's for speed & cpu power, NG R6300v2's for WiFi AP's,
wrt 1200v2 for one of my secure subnets.
wrt54GLs for ad'l 3rd tier machines.
egc
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PostPosted: Sun Apr 22, 2018 8:53    Post subject: Reply with quote
Sam1789 wrote:
egc,

What do you think about the NetGear R6300v2 for my AP project? It's cpu is only 600Mhz, but its got decent RAM at 256MB, flash RAM at 128MB, & its a Broadcom chipset. There's dd-wrt FW for it, too, right?

refurbs at Amazon for ~40 $US w that fast Amazon delivery.

Sam


Netgear R6300v2 is a good choice, basically it is equivalent to an R6400v1.
But be sure it is R6300v2 The v1 is 600 MHz.

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Sam1789
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 23, 2018 8:24    Post subject: Reply with quote
egc wrote:
Netgear R6300v2 is a good choice, basically it is equivalent to an R6400v1.
But be sure it is R6300v2 The v1 is 600 MHz.

egc, Thanks for that info. Glad to hear that the R6300 is a good choice, and that choosing a V2 was also a good choice.

But this project seems to be turning into a saga... This "latest" order did arrive today. Great this Amazon one day/same day service, it works. But... I can't say much good about the products their sellers are actually shipping.

This router came with a sicker over the label covering where the model & version # would be, which is suspicious... When I checked the S/N with NetGear Support, they told me that it was a "carrier device" & not a regular consumer product PLUS they said it was a version 1 not v2. Warning #2 or 3, I guess.

Next I powered it up and it did start, though it had a different IP address than the seller provider literature says it will have. No big deal on that though. A few tries on the standard private address suspects and an IPscanner & I got into it. The surprise is that when you log in to it, the screen says the router is a R6300v2..

So I'm Not sure what I actually have... Mad But I have to get the first part of my extended router system working by the end of the day tomorrow. So it looks like I'll be "testing it" for a week or so, but probably without dd-wrt for now

Btw how do I find out what the actual clock speed is in this thing? ? 600Mhz vs 800Mhz

I've read about companies pawning off "carrier" routers as the "real thing". There are warnings about lost features that sometimes can be recovered by using a different oem FW version. And also seen reports of FW updates bricking the carrier routers, even with OEM FW updates. So I'm concerned about changing much of anything and about trying to put dd-wrt on it at all. So guess I have to test it as it is right now since I've got this deadline to meet.

Any suggestions? I'm not sure that even calling the selling refurbisher would get me anywhere. Maybe the best thing to do is to "test it" this week while looking for something to replace this one & return this one after that.

Bummer sage... Mad

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