WNDR3300 - Netgear FW has much higher speed then DD-WRT

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 3:27    Post subject: WNDR3300 - Netgear FW has much higher speed then DD-WRT Reply with quote
I ran these tests using http://freshmeat.net/projects/netio/.

With the latest Netgear FW (V1.0.45_1.0.45NA) the 3 trials looked like this

C:\Users\Steve\Documents\Unzipped\netio126\bin>win32-i386.exe -t 192.168.0.30

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 9132 KByte/s Tx, 6859 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 9612 KByte/s Tx, 7083 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 9354 KByte/s Tx, 7034 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 9250 KByte/s Tx, 7032 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 9749 KByte/s Tx, 7150 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 9800 KByte/s Tx, 7165 KByte/s Rx.
Done.

C:\Users\Steve\Documents\Unzipped\netio126\bin>win32-i386.exe -t 192.168.0.30

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 9398 KByte/s Tx, 7090 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 9284 KByte/s Tx, 7141 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 8856 KByte/s Tx, 7138 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 10206 KByte/s Tx, 7133 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 9477 KByte/s Tx, 7185 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 9814 KByte/s Tx, 7161 KByte/s Rx.
Done.

C:\Users\Steve\Documents\Unzipped\netio126\bin>win32-i386.exe -t 192.168.0.30

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 8528 KByte/s Tx, 5985 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 9823 KByte/s Tx, 7147 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 9496 KByte/s Tx, 6173 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 9702 KByte/s Tx, 7106 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 9958 KByte/s Tx, 7074 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 9265 KByte/s Tx, 7196 KByte/s Rx.
Done.

Next I tried BS build 13972:

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 6448 KByte/s Tx, 5431 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 6460 KByte/s Tx, 5719 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 6467 KByte/s Tx, 5787 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 6581 KByte/s Tx, 5648 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 6602 KByte/s Tx, 5734 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 6373 KByte/s Tx, 5865 KByte/s Rx.
Done.

C:\Users\Steve\Documents\Unzipped\netio126\bin>win32-i386.exe -t 192.168.0.30

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 6105 KByte/s Tx, 5672 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 6364 KByte/s Tx, 5305 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 5835 KByte/s Tx, 5787 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 6377 KByte/s Tx, 5807 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 6602 KByte/s Tx, 5869 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 6408 KByte/s Tx, 5737 KByte/s Rx.
Done.

C:\Users\Steve\Documents\Unzipped\netio126\bin>win32-i386.exe -t 192.168.0.30

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 6458 KByte/s Tx, 5644 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 6372 KByte/s Tx, 5648 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 6364 KByte/s Tx, 5731 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 6517 KByte/s Tx, 5693 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 6228 KByte/s Tx, 5607 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 6340 KByte/s Tx, 5746 KByte/s Rx.
Done.

Eko build 13577M NEWD did a little better:

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 7261 KByte/s Tx, 6044 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 7035 KByte/s Tx, 6252 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 7128 KByte/s Tx, 6109 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 7227 KByte/s Tx, 6105 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 7147 KByte/s Tx, 6242 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 7060 KByte/s Tx, 6244 KByte/s Rx.
Done.

C:\Users\Steve\Documents\Unzipped\netio126\bin>win32-i386.exe -t 192.168.0.30

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 6651 KByte/s Tx, 6024 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 6931 KByte/s Tx, 6227 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 7102 KByte/s Tx, 6188 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 6992 KByte/s Tx, 6215 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 7184 KByte/s Tx, 6126 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 7285 KByte/s Tx, 6141 KByte/s Rx.
Done.

C:\Users\Steve\Documents\Unzipped\netio126\bin>win32-i386.exe -t 192.168.0.30

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 7184 KByte/s Tx, 6122 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 6940 KByte/s Tx, 5858 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 7063 KByte/s Tx, 5202 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 7220 KByte/s Tx, 6122 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 7194 KByte/s Tx, 6250 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 7037 KByte/s Tx, 6140 KByte/s Rx.

Surprisingly Eko build 13577M NEWD-2 was the worst of the bunch:

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 4738 KByte/s Tx, 3388 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 4698 KByte/s Tx, 3474 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 4739 KByte/s Tx, 3389 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 4775 KByte/s Tx, 3385 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 4493 KByte/s Tx, 3472 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 4734 KByte/s Tx, 3045 KByte/s Rx.
Done.

C:\Users\Steve\Documents\Unzipped\netio126\bin>win32-i386.exe -t 192.168.0.30

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 4552 KByte/s Tx, 3467 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 4535 KByte/s Tx, 3540 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 4458 KByte/s Tx, 3503 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 5015 KByte/s Tx, 3616 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 4748 KByte/s Tx, 3520 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 4646 KByte/s Tx, 3545 KByte/s Rx.
Done.


I tried setting DD-WRT up with as much of the same settings as the factory FW as possible. I selected channel 44 in the Netgear setup and as you can see it gave me channels 44 and 48. Does anybody know how the (P) and (S) there correlate to the wide channel upper/lower setting in DD-WRT? Also, the channels used by the NG FW are 4 apart, as compared to the 2 in DD-WRT. Could this be part of the performance difference?

Does anybody have any thoughts on how I can get some more speed out of this puppy since I know the hardware is capable of it?

Thanks



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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:46    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey steve


do you know how to revert back to the wndr3300 stock firmware? I'm trying to revert one of mine back to the original firmware but I noticed that DD-WRT doesn't like the netgear firmware with the .chk. is the recovery using tftp at the beginning with the router starts up? if so what tftp program do you use to send the netgear .chk firmware file?

I'm doing some testing with 2 of these things an I have run into a throughput problem when two clients are on the same spectrum (5GHz N or 2.4GHz N). I get extremely slow local network file transfers with the wndr3300 running dd-wrt firmware 13577. I want to try the old firmware and do the same tests.

any help would be greatly appreciated
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:47    Post subject: Reply with quote
zeronothing wrote:
Hey steve


do you know how to revert back to the wndr3300 stock firmware? I'm trying to revert one of mine back to the original firmware but I noticed that DD-WRT doesn't like the netgear firmware with the .chk. is the recovery using tftp at the beginning with the router starts up? if so what tftp program do you use to send the netgear .chk firmware file?

I'm doing some testing with 2 of these things an I have run into a throughput problem when two clients are on the same spectrum (5GHz N or 2.4GHz N). I get extremely slow local network file transfers with the wndr3300 running dd-wrt firmware 13577. I want to try the old firmware and do the same tests.

any help would be greatly appreciated
it's in the wiki

EDIT: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Netgear_WNDR3300#Reverting_.2F_recovery_tftp_mode

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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:57    Post subject: Reply with quote
zeronothing wrote:
Hey steve


do you know how to revert back to the wndr3300 stock firmware? I'm trying to revert one of mine back to the original firmware but I noticed that DD-WRT doesn't like the netgear firmware with the .chk. is the recovery using tftp at the beginning with the router starts up? if so what tftp program do you use to send the netgear .chk firmware file?

I'm doing some testing with 2 of these things an I have run into a throughput problem when two clients are on the same spectrum (5GHz N or 2.4GHz N). I get extremely slow local network file transfers with the wndr3300 running dd-wrt firmware 13577. I want to try the old firmware and do the same tests.

any help would be greatly appreciated


I did it using these instructions from the wiki: http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/Netgear_WNDR3300#Reverting_.2F_recovery_tftp_mode

and the TFTP program mentioned in this wiki article:
http://www.dd-wrt.com/wiki/index.php/TFTP_flash#Linksys_TFTP_GUI

Even though it is a Linksys TFTP it works fine with this Netgear as well.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 06, 2010 5:58    Post subject: Reply with quote
wow thanks guys, I was actually coming back to this thread to post I found the instructions on the WNDR3300 DD-WRT WIKI site.

thanks though
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 07, 2010 0:16    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hey Steve,
I have 3 WNDR3300's and was running DD-WRT but your post made me think twice.
I went back to stock netgear firmware last night and I can confirm that I do indeed get higher speeds like you do.

I know DD-WRT has to handle lots of router types, there must be something different which the original firmware is getting but dd-wrt is missing to get that extra edge.

The bummer with the original firmware is that you can't do WPA2 in repeater mode. Only WEP which is pretty basic and insecure.

Anyone else got any ideas out there?
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:27    Post subject: Reply with quote
hey guys

i see you guys are talking about the wndr3300 router. I wanted to ask you guys to see if you are having the same throughput issue as I do.

currently I have 2 wndr3300 with dd-wrt running on both. I have one of them configured to run both radios (one interface is running 5GHz N and 2nd running 2.4GHz b/g). The 2nd wndr3300 is configured to just be an extra AP. On the wndr3300 running as just and AP has the one interface configured for 2.4GHz N.

Now my problem is when I have two client PCs connecting to the same wireless spectrum like 5GHz N and do a local file transfer it goes extremely slow (170KB/s). If I have both clients connect to 2.4GHz N and do a local file transfer it goes extremely slow too. If I have one client connect to 5GHz N and the other on 2.4GHz N and do a local file transfer it does really fast (5-8MB/s).

do any of you have this problem?

also I have no wireless security setting in place or firewalls running on any of the PCs
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:31    Post subject: Reply with quote
zeronothing wrote:
hey guys

i see you guys are talking about the wndr3300 router. I wanted to ask you guys to see if you are having the same throughput issue as I do.

currently I have 2 wndr3300 with dd-wrt running on both. I have one of them configured to run both radios (one interface is running 5GHz N and 2nd running 2.4GHz b/g). The 2nd wndr3300 is configured to just be an extra AP. On the wndr3300 running as just and AP has the one interface configured for 2.4GHz N.

Now my problem is when I have two client PCs connecting to the same wireless spectrum like 5GHz N and do a local file transfer it goes extremely slow (170KB/s). If I have both clients connect to 2.4GHz N and do a local file transfer it goes extremely slow too. If I have one client connect to 5GHz N and the other on 2.4GHz N and do a local file transfer it does really fast (5-8MB/s).

do any of you have this problem?

also I have no wireless security setting in place or firewalls running on any of the PCs


You already have a thread about this problem I think? These appear to be completely different issues, alike only in that both reference transfer speed.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 20:54    Post subject: Re: WNDR3300 - Netgear FW has much higher speed then DD-WRT Reply with quote
steveg1701 wrote:

Surprisingly Eko build 13577M NEWD-2 was the worst of the bunch:

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 4738 KByte/s Tx, 3388 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 4698 KByte/s Tx, 3474 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 4739 KByte/s Tx, 3389 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 4775 KByte/s Tx, 3385 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 4493 KByte/s Tx, 3472 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 4734 KByte/s Tx, 3045 KByte/s Rx.
Done.


Oops, turns out I polluted this test by having InSSIder running. Give NEWD-2 a fair shake and it'll give you the best performance Smile

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 7393 KByte/s Tx, 6267 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 7766 KByte/s Tx, 6425 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 7360 KByte/s Tx, 6363 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 7643 KByte/s Tx, 6474 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 7768 KByte/s Tx, 6412 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 7780 KByte/s Tx, 6319 KByte/s Rx.
Done.

C:\Users\Steve\Documents\Unzipped\netio126\bin>.\win32-i386.exe -t 192.168.0.26

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 7059 KByte/s Tx, 5777 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 7382 KByte/s Tx, 5857 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 7560 KByte/s Tx, 5744 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 7510 KByte/s Tx, 5854 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 7469 KByte/s Tx, 5744 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 7534 KByte/s Tx, 5852 KByte/s Rx.
Done.

C:\Users\Steve\Documents\Unzipped\netio126\bin>.\win32-i386.exe -t 192.168.0.26

NETIO - Network Throughput Benchmark, Version 1.26
(C) 1997-2005 Kai Uwe Rommel

TCP connection established.
Packet size 1k bytes: 7398 KByte/s Tx, 5599 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 2k bytes: 7638 KByte/s Tx, 5452 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 4k bytes: 7399 KByte/s Tx, 5641 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 8k bytes: 7582 KByte/s Tx, 5700 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 16k bytes: 7612 KByte/s Tx, 5725 KByte/s Rx.
Packet size 32k bytes: 7686 KByte/s Tx, 5699 KByte/s Rx.
Done.

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 21:06    Post subject: Reply with quote
Steve

when running NEWD2 on the wndr3300 do you loose the use of interface wl1. I have heard some say you do.

just wondering
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 08, 2010 21:10    Post subject: Reply with quote
zeronothing wrote:
Steve

when running NEWD2 on the wndr3300 do you loose the use of interface wl1. I have heard some say you do.

just wondering


Laughing you must have posted this at the same time I was posting the same information in your thread

Yes, when you use NEWD-2 on this router you see no evidence that wl1 even exists. Ironic that one criteria in buying this thing was that it have 2 interfaces so that I could have high speed N and my GF could still connect with her G - so now I have to run 2 routers LOL

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 20, 2011 15:49    Post subject: Reply with quote
I flashed DD-WRT for my WNDR3300. I felt the same thing. For my htpc, ps3, iphone, I do a speed test, it is slower than netgear firmware. Also when steaming video, it feel jumpy and freezing. this never happened before I use DD-WRT
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 22, 2011 1:20    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi guys,

No problems here. Factory FW may be faster, but in my case it doesn't matter. Even if my link throughput is slower, I still have plenty of overhead to handle my network speed of 10Mbps down / 0.1 Mbps up. Throughput could become a problem if I were dealing with a higher network speed, but as it stands it's enough.

Also, one thing I get with DD-WRT that I couldn't get with factory FW is whole house coverage. The signal now gets to every part of my house. The WNDR3300 with factory FW couldn't do that.

I think the whole picture needs to be considered and not only based on diminished throughput. Agreeably DD-WRT might not be the best choice for this particular router, especially for those who depend on both radios, but in my case I'm quite satisfied.

Besides, my wireless connection is as fast as my wired.
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